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view · edit Frequently asked questions Q: Should this article's title be pro-life movement? A: No. Wik.ipedia.Pro does not use euphemisms. The term "pro-life" is a branding or marketing device and does not reflect the sole focus of the movement, which is opposition to abortion. The fact that the two sides officially call themselves "pro-life" and "pro-choice" is not a reason for Wik.ipedia.Pro to prefer those terms, since neither is neutral, nor accurately describes their positions. This was discussed at length in June 2018, when the titles of both articles were changed to neutral titles: pro-life movement --> anti-abortion movement and pro-choice movement --> abortion-rights movement. The former group of people is unambiguously opposed to abortion, so there's nothing misleading about the name. It's a neutral name, which should not offend anyone who truly believes that abortion is wrong. Additionally, the term pro-life is a political spin term that does not necessarily reflect reality. The philosophy which opposes both abortion and the death penalty, and which supports access to healthcare and other life-sustaining measures, is termed consistent life ethic. Similarly, pro-choice is a political spin, because it disguises the fact that people are talking about abortion. They are not talking about your right to vote in an election. The most neutral term (according to consensus in 2018) is the abortion-rights movement, because its advocates unambiguously believe that a woman has a right to have an abortion, subject only to the usual restrictions based on trimester. It would be wrong to call it a pro-abortion movement, since typically the spokespeople for the movement primarily advocate for female bodily autonomy and a hierarchy of measures beginning with widely available contraception and high quality sex education, with abortion as a final option in the case of unwanted pregnancy.

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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination. Discussions: No consensus, 27 December 2014, from Anti-abortion movements to Pro-life movement, see discussion. Not moved, 1 June 2018, from Anti-abortion movements to Pro-life movement, see discussion. Moved, 11 December 2020, from Anti-abortion movement to Anti-abortion movements, see discussion.

Bizarre and inappropriate to rename the article from Pro-Life to whatever "Anti-Abortion" is. LordofChaos55 (talk) 14:22, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The opposing article is named abortion-rights movements and not pro-choice movements. It's not perfect but at least both articles have 'abortion' in the title instead of euphemisms. –CWenger (^ • @) 14:45, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

CWenger - you really think you have something here but, of course, you don't. Calling pro-life anti-abortion is not NPOV. You know this. You are playing the fool as a means to deceive. 2603:6011:59F0:1F20:4CC0:81A7:DBBA:487F (talk) 06:34, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm very much pro-life, reflected in my sincere belief that nobody should be able to purchase high-powered rifles or handguns, even with delays and mandatory background checks, and that there should not be a death penalty. Oh, I also believe in the right to procure an abortion. So yeah, let's avoid euphemisms? Anti-abortion and abortion rights are clear, unequivocal and neutral. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:09, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So, you’re not pro-life. LordofChaos55 (talk) 16:15, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

LordofChaos55, Bastun was playing a game. He/she made an ass out of him/herself. 2603:6011:59F0:1F20:4CC0:81A7:DBBA:487F (talk) 06:36, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh? Did I not play the game right? And you came back after nine months to tell me, with an insult? Yeah, that'll mean you won! Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 10:47, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Pro-life" and "pro-choice" are both promotional terms. Scholarly, neutral terms are "anti-abortion" and "abortion rights". That's what is going on here. Nothing to get worried about. You characterized this neutral wording as "leftist" which is wrong. Binksternet (talk) 16:52, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I cannot see how abortion is a left vs right issue. I would also point out that this is a global encyclopedia. "Pro-life" and "pro-choice" are not universally used as the names for the relevant movements outside the USA. HiLo48 (talk) 02:37, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-abortion is not neutral, obviously. IP was correct and you likely deep down know this. 2603:6011:59F0:1F20:4CC0:81A7:DBBA:487F (talk) 06:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So why is it not "neutral", then? Are you suggesting that so-called "pro-life" supporters are not anti-abortion? Do you have a source to support this idea that their movement would've changed its goals? LaughingManiac (talk) 02:54, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

LordofChaos leftist and socially liberal are only the same thing in the US and not even there all of the time either, Batsun we all know your politics by now. 2 other points; one I thought abortion rights are only what the pro-choice side calls them and if the terms Wik.ipedia.Pro is going with are anti-abortion and abortion rights then surely the Abortion in the Republic of Ireland box should say abortion rights and anti-abortion (not anti-abortion rights)? 2001:BB6:7A87:E658:4052:37B6:74F3:8253 (talk) 20:34, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Under the United States section, SFL America and Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America should not be referred to as part of the Christian right, as this is inaccurate. Not only are they religiously neutral organizations (thus associating them with the Christian right would be misleading), but their status as right-wing organizations is also questionable. I would suggest an edit such as this: "Anti-abortion groups like Students for Life of America, and Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America are at times associated with conservatism. Other groups, such as Focus on the Family, are considered a part of the Christian right". Connexitcut (talk) 14:10, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done ZionniThePeruser (talk) 22:41, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To have a Philosophy section would require sources that give an overview or survey of the philosophies behind the anti-abortion movement(s), and for appropriate weight on how many people in the anti-abortion movement subscribe to which of these philosophies, not one editor picking and choosing which philosophies they think anti-abortionists believe sourced to individual philosophies. ---Avatar317^(talk) 03:44, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm requesting an edit to link the "pro-life" in "Anti-abortion movements, also self-styled as pro-life movements" to the Pro-choice and pro-life page. I made a similar edit on the Abortion-rights movement page. Also, why is this page protected, but the other page isn't? It seems inconsistent. Wik.ipedia.Pro's Biggest Fan (talk) 19:51, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Because people kept trying to rename this one "Pro-life movement". Black Kite (talk) 21:44, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]