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Just some random feedback here. I hope this is the right spot...

I was reading the article and the major heading 'Technical design' mentions 'darknet' and 'opennet' several times. These are not concepts that I, a random article reader, understood. I was pleased to discover a discussion of these concepts in a subsequent major heading, but had to reread 'Technical design.' This makes is fairly clear to me that the 'Darknet versus Opennet' heading should be above 'Technical design,' so rereading is not required. I didn't want to change it right away, but if someone doesn't tell me otherwise, I plan on changing things around within a few weeks.

Meson537 (talk) 01:46, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any evidence that Freenet actually -is- being used for child porn? I admit, reading the faqs page, as noted in the criticism dicussions below, basically says that if you use freenet, your computer will have child porn on it, regardless of whether you want it to or not. Which is rather disturbing, but...I have a hard time believing that could actually be the case, because I'm a naive idealist, but I'm -certainly- not willing to download the program to find out. Regardless of its potentials...what bad things is this program being used for right now? And why is that just on the talk page and not in the actual article? Hewhorulestheworld (talk) 19:42, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just seems to be a fact that there is no censorship of any kind in the freenet, so any content could be there or not be there. Off2riorob (talk) 16:56, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In the past Freenet featured one or more (I don't remember) open index pages on the main parge. There where child porn sites listet. Todey they only feature manged index lists (CP Free). So there was child porn in the past. Today? .. Maybe. --95.88.250.251 (talk) 10:27, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You do not understand the nature of freenet. If there was childporn, there is childporn, and will always be chilporn. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.205.127.229 (talk) 16:39, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That is incorrect. Freenet do not store files or websites "forever". They may be kept there if someone keeps accessing them, but if the major lists drop them, people won't surf into them and they won't be propagated anymore. When that happens, the files will slowly disappear from the network. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.202.254.60 (talk) 22:43, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The sites sty avaailable as long as people watch them. That’s why freenet users don’t even check them. Depravity-Voyeurism in freenet has the effect it has in real life (strengthenes the subject), but in freenet you know it. Draketo (talk) 13:52, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I just checked it out and there are still a few OK cp sites on there, but most don't work too well. I think most pedos now use Frost or something, but I can't get that to work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.171.175.30 (talk) 09:24, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You're an idiot...You just admitted to deliberately accessing child pornography on Freenet and attempting to access it on Frost, and your IP is public. rzrscm (talk) 00:24, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
lol Yallex82 (talk) 08:43, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
hahahahah major fail.--216.240.249.73 (talk) 10:51, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I just went on freenet in the light of the wikileaks-US stuff going on. After five minutes I noticed a lot of posts referring to 'darker material', '<11', 'explicit stuff, not picky', etc. WTF people?! Sick. AbHowitzer (talk) 13:53, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

yeah, i'm the same way. i was just interested to see what kind of "underground" material freenet has that would even make it necessary, and all i see is CP this, CP that. should have seen that coming, i suppose, but i didn't.--216.240.249.73 (talk) 10:51, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
All Freenet bookmars to "Indexes of freesites" are without links to CP. Even on Freenet you need find right place, where CP is shared (i am not talking about Frost, which is spammed with messages making illusion about CP everywhere). And do not forget, "freedom of speech exist" and "freedom of speech doesn't exist", nothing else between that.... because you don't need protect something what is widely accepted by people and is not against law. --Lukastek (talk) 09:31, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Criticisms?

I'd love to see a section that provides a critical discussion of freenet: a summary of both strengths and weaknesses. What is it best at? what is it worst at? What uses are are recommended? what uses would it not be suitable for? What answers to the above questions are expected to change over time? Basically, why would an interested newbie invest the time to install & use this, in plain, practical terms (as opposed to technical/political terms)? 67.52.129.61 (talk) 01:52, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that those would be helpful, but we can only add material for which we have sources.   Will Beback  talk  02:28, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Such discussion would be par for the course in the academic papers - it'd be an odd crypto/CS paper which didn't discuss the perceived advantages (and disadvantages) of its proposed scheme. --Gwern (contribs) 02:44 5 January 2011 (GMT)

And no mention that Freenet 0.5 still exists and is much more anonymous than 0.7; there was mention, but it seems to have been killed.Paganize (talk) 10:42, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I never heard that Freenet 0.5 are more anonymous than 0.7. If there is a source for it then it should be added back.Belorn (talk) 16:13, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not an unrelted source, but: http://new-wiki.freenetproject.org/Security_summary Draketo (talk) 13:58, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Someone please correct me because I want clarification on this too. I thought the concerns that 0.5 users had were eventually addressed in 0.7, and that 0.5 or FCON (a fork of 0.5) have now become irrelevant. I thought the main concern was that in 0.5 users had to manually ask peers for node connection info, like they had to join an IRC chat channel and request node reference exchanges. 0.7 has an option for automatically connecting to strangers, operating in manual trusted-peers-only mode, or both, so that both desires were addressed. Even if you are connecting to strangers, I thought the strengths of anonymity were still largely preserved even in 0.7 since a node, or even your ISP still couldn't determine if a data request came from your node or if it originated from somewhere else. If this is not the case and there are code changes which are claimed to be less secure in 0.7 in comparison to 0.5, it would be important to discuss and mention them in the criticism section. Yfrwlf (talk) 22:07, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There are other concerns, but the primary one I know of is Darknet; it should not be implemented by default & should have adequate warnings before it is possible to use it instead of a random opennet. When in a Darknet, other freenet users who share your interests will send and receive packets specifically to your node. If, for instance, your interests include whistle-blowing, a hostile government only has to arrest one member of a Darknet to have a pretty good idea which Freenet nodes share the arrested persons interests. In 0.5 & FCON, only the very first time that you run it do you need a node reference, upon connecting to the network it begins storing the address of all discovered nodes. Upon verification that the nodes are up, all packets sent out are sent randomly to nodes that have been discovered; this was the essentially basic concept of how anonymity could be assured. I have read that in the days just prior to the release of 0.7, there was talk (now deleted, and unprovable) by the developers that 0.5 was too anonymous, and something had to be done to limit illegal activity. Paganize (talk) 03:57, 28 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This isn’t the case: People share not only one interest. The information you get by seeing that two people have a darknet connection is just information you already have: that the two people know each other. While it wasn’t public knowledge in 2007 that this is the case (though we already knew about Echelon back then), it should nowadays be perfectly clear that any somewhat dedicated attacker can find almost everyone you know — except where you only know each other through anonymous channels (but then you would not connect over darknet — darknet connections are for childhood/school/university friends, family, colleagues, members of the same club and so on). Draketo (talk) 19:58, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Does it run on free software too?

I know that Freenet is free software, but does it require any non-free software?

It requires Java. Do the free Java implementations suffice? Gronky (talk) 05:17, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Last time I checked, Freenet ran on OpenJDK, but you get a warning indicating that it unsupported by Freenet. It was a while since I last tried it, so they might very well have changed it.Belorn (talk) 13:05, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A friend has mentioned that it's in Gentoo. Seems there's been progress made indeed. I'll try to put it into the article somewhere. Gronky (talk) 22:58, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It runs fine in OpenJDK, so no, no non-free software is required. Yfrwlf (talk) 22:11, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Freenet 0.5 vs Freenet 0.7

If someone could expand on the history of the Freenet 0.5 to Freenet 0.7 fork and differences in communities, that would be appreciated. johndoe32102002 (talk) 23:32, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I certainly COULD expand on it quite a bit, as the founder of the FCON fork, but I'd have no references for any of it.... 108.34.184.161 (talk) 22:09, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
FCON looks as dead : http://sourceforge.net/projects/fcon/ (last commit 2010-09-20), IMHO the 0.5 section should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.227.202.205 (talk) 13:49, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Link leads to CppFCPLib. It is C++ and not C libraries, as described. For now i have found just this link for FCPLib http://freenet.googlecode.com/svn/branches/legacy/apps/fcptools/ezFCPlib/ . 213.87.240.158 (talk) 06:34, 16 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Hyphanet

I used Freenet many years ago and just remembered it today. It seems like the Freenet project has a new project, which I assume is to replace the existing one. The new project was called Locutus, but has been renamed to Freenet. And the original Freenet has been renamed to Hyphanet. This is probably worth adding to the page, or even renaming the page and creating a new one for either the old or the new project. But I don't know what the best thing to do would be. If nobody does anything after a few weeks I might look into doing something about it. Capturts (talk) 03:48, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There was a very heated discussion on the Mailling list about that. I don't know what exactly the current status is. There was no announcement from the developers themselves (if I'm not mistaken), only from the Locutus developers.
Maybe it would be good to create an extra page for Locutus and redirect Hyphanet to the currently existing page?
You could alternatively / additionally also make a new section "Name conflict"?! Mark22k (talk) 14:30, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What I personally find very confusing is that the name is not changed everywhere - which is probably quite difficult with a program that is several years old. The official page of Freenet in Freenet (http://127.0.0.1:8888/USK@0iU87PXyodL2nm6kCpmYntsteViIbMwlJE~wlqIVvZ0,nenxGvjXDElX5RIZxMvwSnOtRzUKJYjoXEDgkhY6Ljw,AQACAAE/freenetproject-mirror/515/) for example still carries the name "Freenet". Also all instructions, which I find on the Internet / Freenet, do not refer to Locutus, but to the original Freenet. Mark22k (talk) 14:33, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This was deliberate on Ian Clarke's part, from reading the discussion (what he didn't delete), and talking to the developers. It feels like brand poisoning, except in reverse? I mean why could he possibly want that name associated with his new stuff? 2600:100C:B256:8E66:2088:2AF1:E86E:4D47 (talk) 14:39, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The reason for the rebranding is explained in the Freenet blog: https://freenet.org/faq#faq-4
Based on this description of events the redirect seems inappropriate. 2605:A601:A085:D900:C8:FE08:FC86:7B6B (talk) 04:15, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note that the FAQ entry also directly addresses the controversy. 2605:A601:A085:D900:C8:FE08:FC86:7B6B (talk) 04:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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