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You said "a pre-statehood proposed territorial division". Really? That seems to be a very fine distinction. So we have "List of U.S. state partition proposals". Is there a page for "List of U.S. pre-statehood partition proposals"? I suspect not, because it may be too fine a point to differentiate these cases. Is the Sequoyah proposal not serious enough? They wrote a constitution. They voted on it and it passed. But having an idea written about in the Walsenburg World-Independent is ok to include? :--) IMHO a list page is needed where there is a structure to the question but a search does not help find the thing. Doing a search, the results look fairly random and unhelpful and they do not include the Sequoyah proposal on the first page. Finally, does "a state partition" mean "a partition of a state" or "a partition that creates a state". If it is only the first definition, then you are correct that the Sequoyah page does not qualify. But why do you think that only the first definition is correct? I am adding a link to a good, quality page in a page that has problems. It can only improve the page. Is this a bad thing? Does it merit an automatic reversion? Why? RayKiddy (talk) 21:21, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@RayKiddy: Regarding your question about the meaning "a state partition", the introduction clearly states and explains the scope of the article as "substantive proposals, both successful and unsuccessful, put forward since the nation's founding to partition or set off a portion of an existing U.S. state or states so that the region might either join another state or create a new state". Regarding the broader issues you raise concerning the page, I agree with you that there needs to be some standard for inclusion/exclusion developed, what constitutes a "substantive proposal" to partition a state. Talk to you there. P.S. Please, on all talk pages, place a new discussion topic under existing/older ones. Thanks. Drdpw (talk) 22:14, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My instincts tell me that editors Focus on content (who just showed up on Wik.ipedia.Pro today), Tscdrwh & Bluealbion, may well be the same individual. GoodDay (talk) 11:42, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, I messaged about this on the page Wik.ipedia.Pro:Sockpuppet investigations/Tscdrwh. I did make one revert before knowing this person’s edits was a nuisance on other pages, and then noticed this person made an account nearly identical to my name yesterday (User:Bluea1bion). I’m not involved with these other accounts. Bluealbion (talk) 23:36, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at this edit, is "sovereign nation states" the same as "independent entities"? I wasn't making that assumption based on the name alone. Assuming that article is showing the full growth/expansion of the United States, there would need to be a place to include Northern Mariana Islands (and maybe Provisional Government of Oregon). Is there a different section of the page where they'd fit in your mind? Or how would you describe them? –Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 14:06, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Impeachment process against Richard Nixon you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Iazyges -- Iazyges (talk) 23:01, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Iazyges: – Thanks for doing this. Drdpw (talk) 00:37, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No problem; I'm happy to take on anything related to Nixon. In spite of everything, our greatest president IMO (and my favorite). Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 14:07, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The article Impeachment process against Richard Nixon you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Impeachment process against Richard Nixon for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Iazyges -- Iazyges (talk) 06:02, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please look at the revision I did to the Nomination and confirmation to the Supreme Court of the United States page? It tells you why you shouldn't add the picture you added. Here's the revision: https://en.m.Wik.ipedia.Pro.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1114859153 2601:40A:8480:1750:0:0:0:11B0 (talk) 22:19, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Drdpw, can you reply to this message? Please. 2601:40A:8480:1750:6415:DF2:3E69:4D2C (talk) 20:41, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unsure what sort of a response you are looking for here. Your reason for reverting to the previous picture seemed clear to me: you don't think the more informal photo of the current Roberts Court should be used and that the old, outdated formal picture should remain in place until the new formal picture is released. Is that accurate? If so, I'm okay with it. Drdpw (talk) 20:58, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes 2601:40A:8480:1750:6415:DF2:3E69:4D2C (talk) 22:46, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Drdpw, I say yes to your reply. 2601:40A:8480:1750:C8BF:ED4B:6734:12C2 (talk) 20:59, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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		Thank you for your contributions on this seasons article. ✶Mitch199811✶ 00:21, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Drdpw (talk) 02:18, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello there, I was hoping to ask about this revision to the article on the 2026 United States gubernatorial elections. I'm not sure why the addition is considered "speculation," as the sections on California and Georgia both contain lists of potential candidates, which are still present on the article with attached sources, similar to Alabama's. Should these two be removed as well? Thanks. Kafoxe (talk) 01:59, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Drdpw (talk) 02:03, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense, I just wanted to make sure there was consistency. Thank you for the clarification! Kafoxe (talk) 02:09, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Information is correct and thereby doesn't need a undo KingOfChairs (talk) 16:33, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your edit was reverted because this detail does not need a mention in the lead, which focuses on the office of speaker alone. Mention it in the article where the the Speaker pro tempore is mentioned. Drdpw (talk) 17:34, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Regarding eligibility of non-members, I was in process of putting together further info when you reverted. Your revert was therefore fine, but I have now inserted that info. Anythingyouwant (talk) 04:09, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

While we're in the same ballpark, both the pro tempore emeritus title held by Chuck Grassley and speaker emerita title held by Nancy Pelosi are honorary titles with no real power. They are proverbial "gold watches" for past presiding members as tokens of appreciation. Neither is a presiding officer. You can't mention one without the other as they are both in the same vein, which is why the emeritus section is a fair compromise. Vjlmhds (talk) 04:33, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Grassley was officially given that title by the full Senate.[1] Anythingyouwant (talk) 04:43, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Strom Thurmond was given the title because Jim Jeffords flipped the senate when he left the GOP, giving the Dems control in the middle of the 197th congress. It is an honorary title with no real power, and is not a presiding officer. What was done for Pelosi is the same thing. Neither Grassley nor Pelosi are presiding officers, nor should they be listed as such. They were both given honorary titles for their past service. The pro tempore emeritus position has been around longer, and people after Thurmond have since been bestowed the title, but it doesn't make them presiding officers. Can't acknowledge one and not the other...that's all I'm saying, as it's the same basic idea for each. Vjmlhds (talk) 05:00, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Grassley got the title from the full Senate, whereas Pelosi got the title from a committee of the House Democratic caucus.[2]. So it’s similar but not quite the same. Anythingyouwant (talk) 05:08, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Completely missing the point...they are honorary titles, with no power and they are not presiding officers. Getting too hung up on the minutiae and not seeing the big picture (aka forest --> trees). Grassley is NOT a presiding officer in the Senate, and shouldn't be listed as such. His title and Pelosi's mean the exact same - honorary for past accomplishments. Whether they were voted on by the full Senate or just committees don't mean anything. They're honorary titles meant as "lifetime achievement awards" to honor their past positions. Vjmlhds (talk) 05:16, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think who gives an award is important. I hope my Nobel Prize in Physics will be from the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences rather than from the Nobel Women's Initiative (no offense intended). Anythingyouwant (talk) 05:23, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have just removed the emeritus/emerita mention from the page because neither is a considered to be a leadership position by their respective chamber according to their respective website. Drdpw (talk) 05:39, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Now I can live with this. My whole point was that Grassley/Pelosi's status as emeritus were both the same...gold watch/lifetime achievement awards for past service. Neither is a leadership position, and one isn't more worthy of a mention than the other. Treat them the same. Vjmlhds (talk) 15:01, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Howdy, I've no problem with deleting the 'president pro tempore emeritus' from the 118th United States Congress page. But it should be done on the preceding th US Congress pages, too. FWIW, the honorary title was adopted by the US Senate. Where's the 'speaker-emirta' honorary title was not adopted by the US House of Representatives. GoodDay (talk) 06:58, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

PS - I would agree to removing the president pro tempore emeritus bit from the bio infoboxes of Strom Thurmond to Chuck Grassley as well. They're not constitutional offices & as you've accurately put it - they just 'gold watches', basically trivial. GoodDay (talk) 07:10, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I saw that you reverted an edit saying that we do not mention what storms would be named. If that is true, why don't we remove the section from the 1991 No-Name Storm on the season page? ✶Mitch199811✶ 03:24, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Mitch199811: Perhaps that sentence should be removed. There is no would have been named statement in the season articles for the 1997, 2005, 2006 unnamed sub / tropical storms (1987, 1988, 2011, 2013 either). It is not done for depressions either, which go unnamed, or for PTCs when included as other storms. Drdpw (talk) 04:38, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Now that the List of Speaker of the United States House of Representatives elections has been split off from the too wide original List of speakers, I still have the same question about the 2023 election not displaying "Present" votes as do earlier elections, since we know that six members abstained in this election.
The information is found at 2023 Speaker of the United States House of Representatives election, saying "On the fifteenth and final ballot, the six remaining anti-McCarthy holdouts voted "present", which reduced the threshold of votes needed for a majority from 218 to 215 members voting for a person by name, thus allowing McCarthy to be elected with 216 votes." I recognize that's a different article. I haven't checked to see whether all of the preceding "Present" votes listed here in this "List" article are specifically referenced here for this page. Milkunderwood (talk) 10:09, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, can you please engage with me in more good-faith dialogue and back-and-forth of my edits of US Senate and US Supreme Court pages? These reversions you make without providing a reason seem to go against the spirit of the site to open-mindedly follow the facts to collaboratively find the truth. I feel gaslit by the constant reversions. I appreciate the times when you do work on wording in more of a 'yes and' spirit to arrive at an altogether (hopefully) better final product.

Superb Owl (talk) 01:28, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your diligence with the "visit count" re: Poland. It's amazing how much attention this trip has gotten here on Wik.ipedia.Pro! Mtminchi08 (talk) 01:07, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You don't have to change every timeline yourself. We can get a bot to do it. Noah^Talk 16:03, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, and I hope all is well. The short descriptor edits I added at the first five U.S. presidents seem to be better than just listing them as presidents. Including 'Founding Father' covers, in two words, a vast amount of the other accomplishments of these men. Washington and the rest of course did much more than serve as early presidents, and adding two words applies both brevity and a condensing descriptor to those other activities. Can we go with it? Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:37, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Randy Kryn: I am inclined to stick with the standard short description used for all U.S. presidents. An additional descriptor could be added for several of them, but is not (as far as I know). Cheers. Drdpw (talk) 04:46, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My thought is to then follow up on this. Jefferson, Madison, Washington, Adams, they are all far more than a president as their sole descriptor. Adding 'Founding Father' to, say, Jefferson's short description (Founding Father, third president of the United States), and dropping the unneeded dates, covers his initial unprecedented accomplishments in two words. Keeping later presidents' summaries as is seems fine, including Monroe (who didn't really "make his mark" in the initial founding years), but for the four major founders, it doesn't seem enough, and feels like it's placing too tight of a wording on their overall significance. Please mull this over a bit, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 05:18, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

An editor has reverted the Adams short descriptor with a good edit summary. Listing just the presidency for these four major founders still seems "off", there should be more (adding the two words "Founding Father" brings a cornucopia of encapsulated accomplishments into play). Randy Kryn (talk) 16:25, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see; the issue then needs to be discussed on the respective talk pages. Cheers. Drdpw (talk) 16:57, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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People WILL get confused. If I said "I love the President of the United States" they will most likely think of Biden or something, not the band. Положение (talk) 10:33, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding This edit, at my count, in the discussion, there were 7 supports (6 under it and one back in the main voting section) and no explicit opposes to that wording. I just copt-pasted it from the discussion. I am flummoxed as to how copying the actual text that had unanimous approval is somehow "misrepresenting" the discussion. Can you elaborate? --Jayron32 11:41, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jayron32: There was Rfc consensus for at least a brief clause in lede but not for a full sentence: "…the participants largely agree that some mention in the lead is warranted. There does not appear to be consensus for the wording as proposed by the OP, but there are several proposals with various degrees of support - I leave it to the participants to agree on the best version". Your copy-paste edit was of a full sentence, and was simply attached to the end of a paragraph, thus looking like copy-paste add-on. In my subsequent edit, I took mention of the AIDS epidemic and included it within a sentence mentioning other key first term challenges – the assassination attempt, labor union fights, and the war on drugs. Before making the edit I looked at the wording discussion and considered where (and how) mention of the epidemic and the Reagan response fit best in light of the larger Rfc discussion. Hope this brings greater clarity. Drdpw (talk) 13:30, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. That is fine by me, I just don't appreciate being accused of mischaracterizing something when I merely copy-pasted the consensus version from the discussion. I have no problems with you improving upon my changes, but in the future, please don't ascribe malfeasance to me (or to others) when you don't know intent. I misrepresented nothing. I may have been less than perfect in execution, but I represented the discussion exactly as it happened. Improvements are welcome, accusations of bad faith are rather not. But I thank you for explaining your thinking, and I am fine with your improved wording. --Jayron32 13:50, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jayron32: The added sentence came from a discussion held while the Rfc was ongoing and did not take into account the emerging rough consensus for at least a brief clause in lede but not for a full sentence. In hindsight, stating something along those lines would have been more accurate and certainly more constructive, given that I did not mean to accuse you of malfeasance or of bad faith. Drdpw (talk) 14:15, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Drdpw. The sentence I added was decided at the RfC. Please see the section at the bottom of the RfC discussion. Needless to say we can consider your alternative proposals, but the consensus version should remain in the article until we decide on a replacement. SPECIFICO talk 14:59, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@SPECIFICO: Please see the discussion immediately above and Talk:Ronald Reagan#Post-Rfc wording discussion, AIDS in lede. Thanks. Drdpw (talk) 15:08, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oh. Didn't even see that. thanks. SPECIFICO talk 15:18, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there Drdpw - concerning this edit to off-season Atlantic hurricanes, I was wondering why you removed all of those systems. I originally added them because they exist in the meta data. While they might not have full track maps like official cyclones, they are still listed as tropical/subtropical depressions. Take 1954, for example, where you removed two: you can find both of them here, clearly listed as:

Jan. 27 23N 57W Subtropical Depression

And later: May 19 41N 31W Subtropical Depression

Because you already have edited the article since the edit in question, would you mind adding all of the missing systems in HURDAT back in? Thanks! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:52, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Judiciary Act of 1789, § 1, 1 Stat. 73 (1789).

SECTION 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, The the supreme court of the United States shall consist of a chief justice and five associate justices, any four of whom shall be a quorum, and shall hold annually at the seat of government two sessions, the one commencing the first Monday of February, and the other the first Monday of August. That the associate justices shall have precedence according to the date of their commissions, or when the commissions of two or more of them bear date on the same day, according to their respective ages.

The substance of the above emphasized text is still the law. See 28 U.S. Code, § 4 (2018).

What you are getting twisted is that the justice cannot execute his office until he takes his oath. Judiciary Act of 1789, § 7, 1 Stat. at 76 (1789).

Moreover, your confusion about vesting of the office is legally incorrect, as stated by Chief Justice Marshall himself in Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137, 162 (1803):

Mr. Marbury, then, since his commission was signed by the President and sealed by the Secretary of State, was appointed, and as the law creating the office gave the officer a right to hold for five years independent of the Executive, the appointment was not revocable, but vested in the officer legal rights which are protected by the laws of his country.

To withhold the commission, therefore, is an act deemed by the Court not warranted by law, but violative of a vested legal right.

As the language makes clear, the officeholder's right to the office is what "vests," and that at the moment the Seal of the United States is affixed to the signed judicial commission.

I don't know where you got the wrong idea from... Next time, assume good faith and hit up my talk page if you doubt. Have fun undoing your reverts. - Foofighter20x (talk) 19:52, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi i am friendlyhsitorian i wont press the issue now but it by deleting a polite request despite the fact i brought examples and everything and you just refuse to engage i legit wanted to discuss this . Why are you so hostile ? i apologize if i came out as hostile ok

@Friendlyhistorian: No hostility intended, it is simply that this not the place to discuss the objections multiple editors have had to your edits at List of presidents of the United States. The content of the table on that page has changed over time and changes have been and are made by consensus reached among editors on the article's talk page. Please open a discussion there on your desired changes. Drdpw (talk) 17:32, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Drdpw. So I noticed that in this edit, you removed the TCR reference from the season effects section. I wanted to ask why you removed it? I thought we were suppose to add the TCR references down in that section? The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 19:59, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@WeatherWriter: The long-standing practice has been to only include references when specific fatality number and/or specific damage figures are included in the table for an individual system. Drdpw (talk) 20:08, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That seems a little counter-intuitive since that puts items in a table without a secondary reliable source. I think that practice may need to be re-evaluated since it doesn’t align perfectly with Wik.ipedia.Pro’s guidelines. I’m not going to start a discussion on this issue, but I think it is something that should be said at least. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 20:18, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for being a Wik.ipedia.Pron! StrawberryChi'sCake (talk) 07:06, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

	The Editor's Barnstar
	Thank you for your contributions on weather-related articles, really appreciate it! Tails Wx 02:00, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! FYI you've reverted the hatnote from Stormy Daniels to Storm Daniel 4 times (1, 2, 3, 4), and your edits are happening within a very short timeframe. The first 3 and last 3 reverts happened within 24 hours, and are therefore disfavored under the WP:3RR policy. I wonder if you'd be willing to self-revert and start a discussion on the talk page? Edge3 (talk) 02:50, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you want the date column to be unsortable? I have never seen that in a sortable table and see no reason to remove the sorting. It's the initial sorting and the same sorting as the first column but readers may not realize that if they want to go back after sorting by another column. Based on your edit summary in [3] I wonder whether you realize it was sorted chronologically by the full date including year. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:47, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am planning to start to create a draft for tropical storm bret. The season article is already quite lengthy and I don't know how much media coverage there is. If it doesn't prove to work well, I will redirect it, but please dont redirect while I am still working on it. Shmego (talk) 13:55, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Shmego: I would first explore how much additional material is out there and whether that additional material makes Bret noteworthy according to the project's specific notability guidelines. Drdpw (talk) 14:47, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Howdy. I might be a tad paranoid, but I'm beginning to think that the editors Batong 1930 & Tinpo 162 (name/number style) at the List of presidents of the United States & List of vice presidents of the United States pages, are the same individual. GoodDay (talk) 00:10, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is currently a discussion at Wik.ipedia.Pro:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Where is Matt? (talk) 18:03, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

An article that been involved with (Hurricane Ian) has content that is proposed to be removed and moved to another article (Effects of Hurricane Ian in Florida). If you are interested, please visit the discussion. Thank you. ✶Mitch199811✶ 00:36, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've finished a draft for the timeline of the 1991 Atlantic hurricane season. Could you review it? ''Flux55'' (talk) 18:56, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you interested in joining the 2024–25 Good Weather Article Reassessment project? ''Flux55'' (talk) 22:22, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Flux55: I will help with this endeavor. Drdpw (talk) 17:16, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Thanks for working on so many season articles, making sure the sourcing and wording are done properly. It's a lot of minor edits, but they all contributed to the encyclopedia being a little bit better. Keep up the great work! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:24, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is currently a discussion at Wik.ipedia.Pro:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. 108.21.145.39 (talk) 19:59, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just letting you know that I undid your edits re: Dora on the grounds of WP:GOODFAITH and WP:BOLD. We cannot give the article name "Hurricane Dora" to either 1964 or 2023 anymore per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. As this situation is unique, to avoid placing WP:UNDUE weight to both storms in each basin (since the 1964 and 2023 incarnations are the most notable/researched currently and that retirees are usually the PRIMARYTOPIC), was why I had to add the (Atlantic) and (East Pacific) tags to each name. I don’t think, on those grounds, a discussion is necessary or needed, but you are welcome to start one regardless if you feel otherwise. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 19:12, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MarioProtIV: Good rationale for the moves, and in a discussion I would concur. Thanks for the explanation. Drdpw (talk) 19:19, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there Drdpw, I noticed and appreciate all of the work you've been doing toward retired names. I wondered if you had any thoughts on the List of retired Atlantic hurricane names page, which seems to be the inevitable endpoint with what you're working on. The list is B-class right now, but I wondered what you thought it needed before it was a featured list? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:02, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hurricanehink: Thank you. I ended up doing much more than I set out to do, which was fine tune and add citations to the storm name sections in the mid-to-late 20th century Atlantic and Pacific hurricane season articles. Regarding the list of retired Atlantic hurricane names article, overall, it looks to be ready now for FL consideration, though a check of prose, citations, etc., might be a good thing beforehand. Cheers. Drdpw (talk) 15:39, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hah, one of those famous wiki-holes, where you get started on something, and then you notice it everywhere. As you've probably gathered, there are a lot of articles that could use some help. The references are lacking for more recent years, so I'll add a few of those, now that I've noticed it. I always thought that it might be nice having a future FT for all of the retired lists around the world, with the parent topic being Tropical cyclone naming or something. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:34, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Drdpw, you have a history of edit warring. I have never been in an edit war with anyone except for you. It seems like you are in the wrong here. Please ping me if you respond. Alexysun (talk) 16:58, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Open a discussion on the article talk page per WP:BRD, not here. Drdpw (talk) 18:58, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please stop reverting valuable information pertaining to Ford's principal foreign policy actions during his presidency. The erasure of information demonstrating his support of a genocidal regime will not go unnoticed by the people that care about these things. Maurnxiao (talk) 03:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Maurnxiao: Please discuss your edits on the article's Talk page. You are once again failing to assume good faith, and you nearly were blocked for the same behavior only moments ago at another article. General Ization ^Talk 03:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In what way am I failing to assume good faith? Erasure doesnt have to be intentional. And please stop threatening me every two minutes. I'm improving these articles for English reading audiences. Maurnxiao (talk) 03:20, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, please see your Talk page. General Ization ^Talk 03:24, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't prove anything with regards to assuming bad faith except for one incident for which I apologized. Maurnxiao (talk) 03:26, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again? There was a discussion on the talk page which, and I have my arguments whereas you made one comment, I gave a rebuttal, and you did not respond, so what consensus? Why remove it?! Maurnxiao (talk) 20:47, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no consensus to add it to the lead of the article. Drdpw (talk) 20:50, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There was a conversation and we both gave our reasons, but I showed why yours were inconsistent and then you did not respond. So the talk page was there with no further contributions by any user. Done! Maurnxiao (talk) 20:52, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am providing members of the WikiProject of Weather along with users who frequently edit weather-related articles an update to the discussions regarding the PD-NWS image copyright template.

For starters, no "formal" administrative-style rules have occurred. All that means is the template is not formally deprecated and is still in use. However, Rlandmann, an administrator on English Wik.ipedia.Pro, has begun an undertaking of reviewing and assessing all images (~1,400) that use the PD-NWS copyright template.

What we know:

• Following email communications, the National Weather Service of Sioux Falls has removed their disclaimer, which has been used for the PD-NWS template for decades. This means, as far as the National Weather Service is concerned, the following statement is no longer valid: By submitting images, you understand that your image is being released into the public domain. This means that your photo or video may be downloaded, copied, and used by others. Currently, the PD-NWS template links to an archived version of the disclaimer. However, the live version of the disclaimer no longer contains that phrase.
• See this deletion discussion for this point's information. NWS Paducah (1) failed to give attribution to a photographer of a tornado photograph, (2) placed the photo into the public domain without the photographer explicitly giving them permission to do so (i.e. the photo is not actually in the public domain), (3) and told users to acknowledge NWS as the source for information on the webpage. Oh, to note, this photographer is a magistrate (i.e. a judge). So, the idea of automatically trusting images without clear attribution on weather.gov are free-to-use is in question.
• The Wikimedia Commons has a process known as precautionary principle, where if their is significant doubt that an image is free-to-use, it will be deleted. Note, one PD-NWS file has been deleted under the precautionary principle. The closing administrator remarks for the deletion discussion were: "Per the precautionary principle, there is "significant doubt" about the public domain status of this file (4x keep + nominator, 5x delete), so I will delete it."
• Several photographs/images using the PD-NWS are currently mid-deletion discussion, all for various reasonings.
• As of this message, 250 PD-NWS images have been checked out of the ~1,400.
• The photograph of the 1974 Xenia tornado (File:Xenia tornado.jpg) was found to not be in the public domain. It is still free-to-use, but under a CC 2.0 license, which requires attribution. From April 2009 to August 2024, Wikipedia/Wikimedia was incorrectly (and by definition, illegally) using the photograph, as it was marked incorrectly as a public domain photograph.

Solutions:
As stated earlier, there is no "formal" rulings, so no "formal" changes have been made. However, there is a general consensus between editors on things which are safe to do:

• Images made directly by NWS employees can be uploaded and used under the new PD-USGov-NWS-employee template (Usage: {{PD-USGov-NWS-employee}} ). This is what a large number of PD-NWS templated images are being switched to.
• Images from the NOAA Damage Assessment Toolkit (DAT) can be uploaded and used under the PD-DAT template (Usage: {{PD-DAT}} ). A large number of images are also being switched to this template.

For now, you are still welcome to upload images under the PD-NWS template. However, if possible it is recommended using the two templates above. I will send out another update when new information is found or new "rulings" have been made. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 03:28, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Drdpw, I saw you removed the Hurricane Gilma death that I found. Your reason was that the death may not have been directly associated with Gilma, but I did see that Gilma was referenced multiple times in the source. I thought that the death would have been caused by Gilma at least indirectly as winds may have directed it far from shore, as the source said, by over 1000 miles. Though you may be correct, just wanted to know if you had any other reasons for removing it. Regards, Shmego (talk) 18:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Shmego: Yes, distance from the approaching storm, plus timing of distress call many hours before the storm neared the area, as well as a lack of details regarding the man's COD. Drdpw (talk) 19:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Drdpw: Okay thank you for clarifying. Have a good day! Shmego (talk) 19:58, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am providing members of the WikiProject of Weather along with users who frequently edit weather-related articles an new update (2nd update) to the discussions regarding the PD-NWS image copyright template.

On the Commons, an RFC discussion is taking place to figure out how to manage the template. No "formal" administrative-style rules have occurred, so nothing has changed. That is not a surprise as the RFC is still ongoing.

What is new?

• The entire Template:PD-NWS has been placed inside a "License Review" template, which is viewable via the link aforementioned.
• Most of the photographs which were uploaded to the Commons originally under the PD-NWS template (approximately 1,500) have been reviewed. Out of those ~1,500 images, only about 150 are requiring additional looks. Most images have been verified as free-to-use and switched to a respective, valid template.
• As of this moment, approximately 50 photos have been nominated for deletion (results pending).
• A handful of images have been deleted (either confirmed copyrighted or under the Commons precautionary principle.
• One image has been kept following a deletion request under the PD-NWS template.

How to deal with new photos?

Given all of this, you might be wondering how the heck you use weather photos while creating articles? Well, here is what you can do!

• If the photo was made by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (excluding NWS), You can upload it under the PD-NOAA template via {{PD-NOAA}}.
• If the photo was made by the National Weather Service (NOT Third Party), you can upload it using the new PD-NWS-employee template via {{PD-USGov-NWS-employee}}.
  • If the photo originates on the Damage Assessment Toolkit, you can upload it using the PD-DAT template via {{PD-DAT}}.
• If the photo is from a U.S. NEXRAD radar, you can upload it using the PD-NEXRAD template via via {{PD-NEXRAD}}.

What about third-party photos?

In the case of third-party photos...i.e. ones not taken by the National Weather Service themselves...there is an option which was discussed and confirmed to be valid from an English Wik.ipedia.Pro Administrator.

• KEY: Third party images of tornadoes & weather-related content can potentially be uploaded via Wik.ipedia.Pro's Non-Free Content Guidelines!
• Experiments/testing has been done already! In fact, I bet you couldn't tell the difference, but the tornado photograph used at the top of the 2011 Joplin tornado was already switched to a Non-Free File (NFF)! Check it out: File:Photograph of the 2011 Joplin tornado.jpeg! That photo's description can also be used as a template for future third-party tornado photographs uploaded to Wik.ipedia.Pro...with their respective information replaced.
• NFFs can be uploaded to multiple articles as well!
• The absolute key aspect of NFFs is that they relate to the article and are not decoration. For example with the Joplin tornado, the photograph: (1) shows the size of the tornado, (2) shows the "wall of darkness", which was described by witnesses, (3) shows a historic, non-repeatable event of the deadliest tornado in modern U.S. history. The exact reasoning does not have to be extremely specific as Wik.ipedia.Pro's NFF guidelines "is one of the most generous in the world" (words of Rlandmann (not pinged), the administrator reviewing all the PD-NWS template images).
• Tornado photographs will almost certainly qualify under the NFF guidelines, especially for tornadoes with standalone articles or standalone sections.
• NFFs cannot be used when a free-photograph is available, no matter the quality, unless the section is about that specific photograph. For example, the photograph used at the top of the 2013 Moore tornado article is confirmed to be free-to-use, therefore, no NFFs of that tornado can be uploaded on Wik.ipedia.Pro. However, the "Dead Man Walking" photograph could almost certainly be uploaded as an NFF to the 1997 Jarrell tornado article as that photograph is the topic of a section in the article.
• NFFs currently on Wik.ipedia.Pro can and should be placed in this category: Category:Non-free pictures of tornadoes.

Update Closing

Hopefully all of that information kept you informed on the Commons copyright discussion process and how you can still create the best articles possible! If you have a question about something mentioned above, reply back and I will do my best to answer it! Also, ping me in the process to ensure I see it! Have a good day! The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 00:59, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]