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You're trying to use the fact that, gasp, I made a typo to rubbish my arguments? --Yeti Hunter (talk) 15:21, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

to be honest I do not need to try in so far you seem to manage to do that by yourself. I have never rubbished your arguments from my perspective. I have pointed out how your arguments are not entirely logical because the premis used to to argue has not in my view been accurate and thus sought to share on that basis. The fact that you simply undo what I contribute without much explanation beyond one or a few cryptic words demonstrated to me a lack of either sensitivity or capacity to think and act beyond a B&W right or wrong sense. Neither seem to actually be part of my wiki readings thus I have called you on it and now it seems you are reacting to it. You had originally written 3rd reading, I said that it passed the 3rd reading & yr reaction was "what the". Then it seems you realised that was a typo & changed it back to 2nd reading but I had responded on the basis on the original typo error which was of your own doing & no-one elses ie we all have the bottomline responsibility for our own actions & thus how others may interpret our actions. I have in good faith sought to express or explain my actions.121.209.34.145 (talk) 00:05, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the misunderstanding then. Let's see if we can come to a consensus on this MH(P) thing.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 01:02, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Apologies Mifren; an explanation. You seem to have been adding bits of your family history project into a lot of pages to which it's not necessarily related (at least for an encyclopaedia). You have obviously done a lot of research on the Baronetcy and have created a couple of good articles on some of the more notable members, but you should consider the aims and objectives of Wik.ipedia.Pro before adding large amounts of text to these and less related articles. I'm not familiar with the other wikis, but there may be one which is specifically a geneaology, and that would be a perfect place to collate the entire family history project. I hope this counts as "mentoring". Happy editing, --Yeti Hunter (talk) 03:23, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Matthew

Thanks for your message. In all honestly I hardly know anything about the Kaurna, just would have tried to fill in some glaring gaps in Wik.ipedia.Pro, but now I'm hardly active on Wik.ipedia.Pro. Good luck with the articles!

Cheers Donama (talk) 02:38, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to change your links from Lisheen to LisheenWgh001 (talk) 03:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Mifren,

Somehow you and I seem to have developed an unproductive relationship. I do think that your edits are good faith even though I disagree that the most recent ones should be included, yet I can't often assume good faith with your talk page edits. To accuse an editor of having ulterior motives, dismissing arguments as "simplistic opinion", or accusing them of outright ignorance is generally regarded as disruptive, and to accuse Peripitus (one of the most level-headed editors I have come across) of the same things is completely unreasonable. You clearly have considerable passion for Marble Hill, but please remember what the purpose of Wik.ipedia.Pro is. There are plenty of ways you can contribute positively to the article without resorting to unreliable sources for which you have a clear conflict of interest.

I would appreciate it if you would self-revert your most recent edit to the article. --Yeti Hunter (talk) 13:02, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Where have I ever accused Peripitus of having ulterior motives? Again YH you resort to absolute terms with "completely unreasonable" to justify what appears really to be like a strawman argument. As stated I acknowledge, accept, absorb and am now addressing your claim/s of abuse by formally proceeding to arbitration that is outside Peripitus, YH or myself because clearly we three have as you put it a clearer conflict of interest. Again I reiterate it seems clear you are not actually addressing your own jumped up conclusive claims YH. Quite honestly I do not yet follow your lines of reasoning as several premises are inaccurate for me and I'm a bit over trying to address them. As I stated previously if you seriously are seriously interested in the Kaurna Native Title Claim then formally forward you inquiries to the Kaurna Native Title Management Committee Female Co-Chair Kudnarto Joan Lamont Williams or Vice Chair Ngangkiburka Georgina Williams via the Warriparinga Living Kaurna Culture Centre. On reflection I think you will in fact find that my passion is more about accuracy and the underlying moral, ethical if not even legal responsibilities we South Australians have to the terms and conditions of the South Australian Letters Patent and Proclamation 1836. Again I've not seen anything to indicate demonstrated comprehension and thus relevance in this commentary or debate to date. Equally I appreciate the fact YH you have not reverted the MH Native Title entry. At this time I still remain unconvinced from your deductions to do so myself.Mifren (talk) 14:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Are we really going to have to go to WP:RFC over this?--Yeti Hunter (talk) 23:48, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Essentially YH my view is more about http://en.Wik.ipedia.Pro.org/wiki/File:Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement.svg and at times I'm unsure you truly have stuck to the top three. Thus WP:RFC is a consideration. What alternatives from your perspective? Personally as all three of us have been involved in wiki editing SA history and heritage pages I believe we three each have become embedded in one form or another so someone clearly independently external without any real or received conflict of interest could be considered.

I've replied to you on my talk page.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 23:48, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In response to this diff - The issue is not that I haven't seen the FOI. The issue is that it's a primary, unpublished source, and as such is original research. Don't take my word for it though. Also, although I have contributed to this article quite a bit and as such am prone to watch it a bit more zealously than others, I certainly don't own the article, and none of your contributions on this or any other article have to go through me or anyone else. However anything that you add must comply with the policies of Wik.ipedia.Pro. Unfortunately I don't think what you are contemplating would fit this bill.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 10:59, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You may want to familiarize yourself with Wik.ipedia.Pro's policies against reverting an article more than 3 times in a 24 hour period. I just wanted to make sure you realize this policy exists before you possibly run afoul of it. — e. ripley\^talk 15:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I do not see freezing the article in dispute as an issue at this time. Perhaps it is in fact in favour of truth over your mind finding logic irrelevant?Mifren (talk) 16:14, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, I've not suggested locking, or protecting, the article. I don't see that as necessary at the moment. The three-revert rule is what I referenced; I just wanted to let you know that you can be blocked for reverting an article more than three times in a 24-hour period. As far as truth, it's a noble goal, but not one that this encyclopedia contemplates. The threshold for inclusion in an article here is verifiability, not truth. We aren't here to determine the truth of any information, merely to summarize notable information that has already been published by a reliable source. — e. ripley\^talk 16:19, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Have you ripley followed the discussion or logical argument above?Mifren (talk) 16:25, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I scanned the dialog on your talk page enough to see that you have had some conflicts with other editors over this article, if that's what you mean. — e. ripley\^talk 16:34, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I did Email ripley:

"Thank you for consideration however, sadly your superlative logic is erroneous and demonstration a significant lack of comprehension in this matter as did the consensus. The logic is that Kaurna Native Claim was publically registered in 2000 as referenced previously. The 2nd example being Kaurna Native Title Claim which resulted in http://oldsite.nntt.gov.au/registration/494.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mifren (talk • contribs) 16:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)" but am unsure if that was received or responded to as I've not received any further notification. I will continue to revert in 24h as that timeframe is not onerous, there is lots of life out of Wik.ipedia.Pro and YetiHunter seems still to have some kind of fixation about South Australian Vice-Regal Native Title which seems to be extrapolated to the entire Registered Kaurna Native Title Claim as somehow being "ambit" as if both South Australia Letters Patent and Proclamation 1836 Founding Documents are immaterial ... ?

Per at the 3RR noticeboard. EdJohnston (talk) 17:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, should do this as it's been over a year. I've been thinking about it but somehow life always gets in the way. When I've got time this weekend I'll post up a when-and-where-should-we-do-this notice. Thanks for reminding me - Peripitus (Talk) 11:37, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's still not very useful as a source. The big issue is that there is no context. There is no analysis. Since no one has published any account of why the document is important and what it means, and how it is relevent to anything, then per Wik.ipedia.Pro's policy against original research, the Wik.ipedia.Pro article cannot itself be the first place where such an analysis is published. Basically, but using this document to support any point you wish to make in an article, you are saying "This document means blah blah blah"; however if you are the first person to say that, that is original research. What you need to find is a reliable source which has analyzed the document and established what it means and what its relevence and significance is. If no reliable source has done so, then there is little reason to include the document as a source. It may be useful as a source in addition to a reliable secondary analysis, but it should not be used by itself to support any position or opinion. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 02:06, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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I agree with Jayron32. That document is not published, so it cannot be considered a reliable source. Additionally, it is copyrighted so it probably cannot be used for that independent reason. Calliopejen1 (talk) 02:45, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Internal links to Kaurna and Peramangk were and probably from past revert experiences will be removed recently on the basis of "Welcome to Country" not being wiki policy. I've reverted on the basis that a discussion could be had without a simplistic one line cryptic reason. As you have some awareness and perhaps insight and did not remove these links previously I'm curious to learn your consensus perspective.

No sure on this Mifren, I can't see any reverts to comment on except the ones at Marble Hill. Welcome to Country and Acknowledgement of Country is a relatively modern ceremony that applies to all australian Native groups, not simply these two. With appropriate referencing it is probably worth a line in each article but without referencing it is not. - Peripitus (Talk) 05:48, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On another angle Kaurna are rallying on SA Parliament House Steps 1-3pm Monday June 29 for the 130 year back rent bill 90 day payment due from March 29 when the original was given to our SA Governor & he followed Vice-Regal Protocol and gave it to our Government of the day. Something you may like to see as Media have expressed interest or even attend.

They had to run this on the 2nd to last day of the financial year so I couldn't attend ! A symbolic act that is unlikely to change anything, perhaps unfortunately. The treatment of the SA tribes upon settlement was a matter that, even as acknowledged in the day, was poor and often ruthless. Reminds me of the plight of most native peoples when the Europeans came. I would love to have attended this. - Peripitus (Talk) 05:48, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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In reply to this diff - With respect, the fact that the Quakers have used an acknowledgement of country in their state newsletter is not proof of an obligation for Wik.ipedia.Pro to do so. Additionally, the Adelaide Hills Council is not "the Kaurna Adelaide Hills Council", and I do not see any evidence that Marble Hill is "near peramangk country", and even if it was I can't imagine how that fact is relevant to the article. Marble Hill is also "near Morialta Conservation Park", should we include that fact too? Of course not. --Yeti Hunter (talk) 04:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you would like to make a case for the inclusion of the material, please do so on the Marble Hill talk page. However, please just make a succinct case in plain english - no lengthy block quotes from external documents. It just makes the page ridiculously cluttered, though feel free to link to them. Also, I'm sure you are aware that the practice of recruiting friends to participate in disputes for you is considered highly inappropriate. Please do not do it. A better option would be to seek dispute resolution through WP:3O or WP:RFC--Yeti Hunter (talk) 10:59, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mifren, I've found a useful book for this subject (via the wonders of google books). Looks like a rather good resource "Warrabarna Kaurna!: reclaiming an Australian language". Looks like some great material on the suppression and loss of the language. The parts I can read online look very well referenced and cover the people and their language fairly well - Peripitus (Talk) 08:09, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The irony Peripitus is that since all this futher posterity publishing, popularising by the three whitefella "Kaurna" High Priests Adelaide University "Kaurna" Linguist Dr Robert Amery, along with www.achm.com.au CEO Consulting Anthropologist, Archeaologist Dr Neil Draper & of course Dame Roma Mitchell Human Rights Community Legal Centre Volunteer Co-ordinator Patrick Byrt have sadly all demonstrated significant conflicts of interest. http://en.Wik.ipedia.Pro.org/wiki/Talk:B.T._Finniss demonstrates that legal fiction South Australia Museum Ethnographer Norman Tindale's 1920s-1974 posterity published, popularised so called ['KAURNA] aka post 1999 & fraudulent "Native Title" Registration demonstrates that "Kaurna" per se could not have lived south of that River Torrens territorial boundary hence Adelaide City Council Records from first former Premier of South Australia Boyle Finniss clearly Witnessed thus demonstrated significant defences,

http://en.Wik.ipedia.Pro.org/wiki/Talk:B.T._Finniss "At this time I was a witness of a fight on the banks of the Torrens in front of Morphett Street. Seeing a number of blacks assembling at that point, I repaired to the spot and was met by my old friend Peter, of Rapid Bay, and his tribe. The tribe was in their war paint, each man carrying shield and spear. Peter endeavoured to explain to me that they came to prevent the northern blacks entering their territory, which seems to have been bounded by the River Torrens. However, Captain Jack, of northern celebrity, had already, with the northern tribes, crossed the river and were engaged in various tactical movements which threatened war. There must have been at least a hundred blacks preparing for the fight. I saw Captain Jack, spear in hand, capering up and down the river flat in front of his myrmidons, talking very loudly and gesticulating violently. Captain Peter retorted in language which I did not comprehend. At last Captain Jack shook his spear, not at any one, but at a pretended foe, and after a few exclamations threw his spear into the ground, apparently in a great rage. This seemed the signal for combat. Captain Peter warned me to retire as the enemy were about to throw their spears. A few spears came. I stood out of the way of the combatants and watched the result. My friend Peter was captain of the southern hosts, evidently the chosen warrior of his tribe.

Rushed to the front and threw himself on one knee, covering himself with his shield in the left hand and balancing his spear at arm's length in the right hand, His warriors followed his example and ranged themselves on his right and left, receding so as to form a wedge, of which Peter was the front and apex. It recalled to mind my school-boy recollections of the Grecian phalanx, described in Polybius, and the Greek wedge formation. A shower of spears came from Captain Jack's party and the wedge grew restive. I could not see if any fell in this short contest, but I presume the northern tribes yielded to their fear of the southern prowess and began to disperse, while Peter rose up with his warriors and again entered into conversation with me, the result being that he was the victor. The northern blacks were tall, lanky figures, very lean and covered with white scales of a scorbutic appearance. I cannot say that they carried shields or that they fought like practised warriors. They were but a mob, while Peter's army were powerful, well-fed blacks, armed with shield and spear, and apparently well trained to use them."Mifren (talk) 13:00, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding your message to me from a couple of months back. I didn't introduce any information into this article as far as I can tell. All I did was move the reference tag (see http://en.Wik.ipedia.Pro.org/w/index.php?title=Western_Arrernte&action=historysubmit&diff=159815518&oldid=144251358) You might want to contact someone else. Not sure who. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:04, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mifren, editing the article like that just to prove a point is not at all sensible. Your comments on the talk page have become surreal and often incomprehensible. The purpose of the talk page is to discuss creating the best possible article on Marble Hill, not a forum to debate past or present injustices. There are ample places on the net where you can fight your battle, Wik.ipedia.Pro is just not the place. - Peripitus (Talk) 08:45, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for supplying us with SA Govt rejects Marble Hill claim. This is from ABC News (Australia) which I hope is a reasonably reliable source. It does give a very brief account which supports the fact that the Kaurna, not just Matthew Fowler, have made a claim over this specific site, and that it has for the moment been rejected. I have edited the article accordingly.

Mifren, I am less happy to say that I agree with Yeti Hunter; [edit] is at least very close to vandalism. I accept that you are very sincere, but sincere addition of irrelevant material is still unconstructive. I would be reluctant to have you blocked but if you persistently insert irrelevancies into mainspace I will ask an administrator to take appropriate action. Again I repeat: Wik.ipedia.Pro is not the place for standing on your soapbox. How would you feel if I were to start replacing the article on England with reams of stuff in Latin, Welsh, Anglo-Saxon and Greek pointing out the illegitimacy of Anglo-Saxon claims to the land, which rightfully belongs to the Roman Empire and their local successors the Welsh princes? Even the Saxons admitted the violent nature of their takeover:

"Ne wearth wael mare

on thys ig-lande aefre gieta

folces gefielled beforan thissum

sweordes ecgum, thaes-the us secgath bec,

eald uthwitan, siththan eastan hider

Engle and [Seaxe upp becomon,

ofer brad brimu Britene sohton,

wlance wig-smithas, Wealas ofercomon,

eorlas ar-hwaete eard begeaton."

- This just to make a point: we are here to write an encyclopedia, and this is a necessarily-limited task. I welcome your knowledge and your good intentions, I wish you and the Kaurna well, but please press your detailed arguments about sovereignty elsewhere. Richard Keatinge (talk) 12:40, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Richard Nine marne budni Kaurna greeting:

Thank you too for the acknowledgement above, "Thank you for supplying us with SA Govt rejects Marble Hill claim. This is from ABC News (Australia) ..."

• I make it quite here and now that if you seriously considerately read the MH Article Discussion Page you too would have see that in fact YH had noted this link shortly after it was publically published online ... that credit is his, not mine ...

• the additional information had also been added some time ago and yet neither YH, any other including yourself has ever seriously and good faith, I now say, let alone real academic or encyclopedic historical and geographic professionalism actually acknowledged, accepted, absorbed, addressed or redressed their relative merits and considerations for inclusions in a timely sense.

• I'd (& I guess Wik.ipedia.Pro) also appreciate a Welsh Gaelic translation into International, British or Australian English because sadly since 1066 my Welsh linquistic education has been neglected and as I'm slowly learning some Irish, I'd also value Welsh.

I'd appreciate a considered response in reply ... Nukkan Mifren (talk) 04:07, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As you say Yeti Hunter had already mentioned this link and I'd missed it. A pity, it could have saved us quite a lot of argument. Richard Keatinge (talk) 08:23, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copied and pasted from Richard Talk Page that he had removed ...

- == "Ne wearth wael mare == - - on thys ig-lande aefre gieta - - folces gefielled beforan thissum - - sweordes ecgum, thaes-the us secgath bec, - - eald uthwitan, siththan eastan hider - - Engle and Seaxe upp becomon, - - ofer brad brimu Britene sohton, - - wlance wig-smithas, Wealas ofercomon, - - eorlas ar-hwaete eard begeaton." - - - This just to make a point: we are here to write an encyclopedia, and this is a necessarily-limited task. I welcome your knowledge and your good intentions, I wish you and the Kaurna well, but please press your detailed arguments about sovereignty elsewhere. Richard Keatinge (talk) 12:40, 6 December 2009 (UTC) - - ::Dear Richard Nine marne budni Kaurna greeting: - ::Thank you too for the acknowledgement above, "Thank you for supplying us with SA Govt rejects Marble Hill claim. This is from ABC News (Australia) ..." - - ::* I make it quite here and now that if you seriously considerately read the MH Article Discussion Page you too would have see that in fact YH had noted this link shortly after it was publically published online ... that credit is his, not mine ... - - ::* the additional information had also been added some time ago and yet neither YH, any other including yourself has ever seriously and good faith, I now say, let alone real academic or encyclopedic historical and geographic professionalism actually acknowledged, accepted, absorbed, addressed or redressed their relative merits and considerations for inclusions in a timely sense. I am grateful you now have some inkling however clearly with that Administrator threat, I have to question your good faith too. I suggest shifting your paradigm, could, would me and we more ... - - ::* I'd (& I guess Wik.ipedia.Pro) also appreciate a Welsh Gaelic translation into International, British or Australian English because sadly since 1066 my Welsh linquistic education has been neglected and as I'm slowly learning some Irish, I'd also value Welsh. - ::I'd appreciate a considered response in reply ... Nukkan Mifren (talk) 05:21, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou for the source re:Kaurna etymologies. I have already included it in the Kaurna article and I believe that most of the places you mention note the kaurna origin of the name in their respective articles. However, the name "Marble Hill" is not derived from Kaurna, so I'm not sure how it is relevant to the current discussion.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 05:31, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! Yeti Hunter finally demonstrating gratitude! As my Grandmother used to say to me, "well, wonders will never cease ...". The relevance is that fact that "Marble Hill, South Australia" is on 2000 Registered Kaurna Native Title Claim and that you have consitently and persistently removed any Kaurna name references demonstrating for me at least, a clear bias if not prejudice for and to Latino-Anglo-Norman-Caucasian-cultural dominance online in wikipdia. I'm simply highlighting the Pre-eminently enduring Kaurna cultural realities and the wikiArticles deficiencies.Mifren (talk) 19:10, 1 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Dear Mifren, I would love such a meeting but have recently moved to cooler climes ! - Peripitus (Talk) 12:04, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have left responses to both your posts on my talk page. --Yeti Hunter (talk) 07:53, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what point you're trying to get across with that long post at Talk:Hindmarsh Island bridge controversy. As far as I can tell, that was asserting the fabrication of Secret Women's Business, not the fabrication of the entire Ngarrindjeri race. What are you trying to prove? I don't know of any commentator, reliable or otherwise, that asserts the non-existence of two of the major tribes of the Adelaide region.

And your latest suggestion for my identity is bizarre. The artist of the Wunala Dreaming 747 - Seriously, where do you get these ideas?--Yeti Hunter (talk) 11:37, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually today when I was able to speak with Ramindjeri Elder Meryl Mansfield pers comm 2 Mar 2011 I heard readings from if I recall correctly p16 & p59 of Berndt & Berndt's "A World That Was" which collectively indicated that "Ngarrindjeri" never existed per se. Sadly I do not have a personal copy however I just found a copy online at http://books.google.com/books?id=gYhQnj6cWh8C&printsec=frontcover&dq=a+world+that+was+berndt+%26+berndt&source=bl&ots=lKbrA_EpKL&sig=T9e9oQ_LMwZsUFXsLvZkTEpuL9Q&hl=en&ei=GlZuTenWK87qrQf3oMiHDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false so I will now have a go at independently looking for these references. One of which is actually,

"A world that was: the Yaraldi of the Murray River and the lakes, South Australia" By Ronald Murray Berndt, Catherine Helen Berndt, John E. Stanton

Chapter "1 The land and the people p19 Identification: the Narrinyeri constellation and its neighbours Up to now, we have used the wider identifying term Narrinyeri. However, the people themselves did not use that name to refer to the collectivity of groups whose members recognized a common social and cultural perspective, although not necessarily a common language or dialectal one. Narrinyeri (sometimes Narindjeri or Ngarindjeri) means 'belonging to people' as contrasted with Kringgari (Europeans), and was derived from kornarinyeri (belonging to men or human beings--implying that all other people were non-human). The term was apparently first used by Taplin (in Woods ed. 1879: 1) and under that label he distinguished a range of tribes. He contended that it was possible to 'consider the Narrinyeri as a nation divided into tribes, or as a tribe of Aborigines divided into clans'. As we shall see, the evidence suggests that members of a number of language/dialectal units acknowledged common bonds and interests over a fairly wide area of country. However, on that basis alone it is not appropriate to speak as Taplin did of this constellation of units constituting a confederacy or a nation. Identification of the people concerned rested primarily on membership of a dialectal or language group in which were located a number of clans linked specifically to stretches of territory. All of the people within this constellation had a common language with dialectal variations; moreover, there were also dialectal variations between some of the clans. The appropriate traditional categorization of the whole group was Kukabrak: this term, as we mention again below, was used by these people to differentiate themselves from neighbours whom they regarded as being socio-culturally and linguistically dissimilar. However, the term Narrinyeri has been used consistently in the literature and by Aborigines today who recognize a common descent from original inhibitants of this region-- even though their traditional identifying labels have been lost. If contemporary descendants do know them, they may still prefer to use the broader form which has now gained some currency since it was first used well over a century ago.

The territory of the Narrinyeri was roughly that noted by Taplin, although on the basis of the information we were given by Aborigines in the early 1940s, it has actually been enlarged a little, stretching to the coastal area of the Gulf St Vincent.

At the edges of the broader territory of this constellation, the lower Kaurna (as a segment of the Adelaide 'tribe') were located from Brighton to a point between Hallet's Cove and Port Noarlunga. They spoke a language different from Narrinyeri or Kukabrak, although there were said to be able to understand and converse in, for instance, Ramindjerie. Despite their peripherality, it is clear that the Kaurna people were part of the wider group (see Teichelmann and Schurmann 1840; Wyatt in Woods ed. 1879 and Williams 1839)."Mifren (talk) 16:18, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mifren, about half way down the genealogical information in your user page there's a small section on the Fitzgeralds of Ticroghan. What is the source for this information about the 'Ticroghan' branch of the Fitzgerald family? I too am interested in this obscure branch of the family, and am working on the WeRelate site for them (Werelate.org being a wiki specifically for genealogy). regards, Honyng (talk) 22:46, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mifren, I was wondering if you had seen http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/lucas-accuses-kaurna-group-of-fraud/story-e6frea83-1226018695085 ? Is this group related to our Warriparinga Living Kaurna Cultural Centre?--Yeti Hunter (talk) 07:41, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes thanks YH I did, especially as thanks to Great Grandmother Elders bringing these issues to my attention, I naturally as one of HM's 1983 Queen's Scouts felt Duty-bound to finally after also going to OCBA, ORIC, ASIC, ATO, Centrelink, SAPOL Fraud Unit to no apparent avail, finally ALP Government Oppostion LiberalSA OCBA or Consumer Affairs Shadow Minister Hon Rob Lucas MLC was referred to me by a former LiberalSA Minister & in good faith independently investigatively inquired into this serious matter ... I sincerely look forward to the Minister Hon Gail Gago MLC's response but like the sale over lease of former Summer Vice Regal Residence Marble Hill my faith isn't high however I do hope that something helpful will account for the appalling & galling behaviours demonstrated to date since 1999 at least ... naturally this is the least I could do to help respect, recognise, resource Ramindjeri pre-eminent enduring Sovereignty ...

Edited from what I've recently been writing on another's http://www.facebook.com Profile Wall Comment Thread:

Matthew Fowler Happy to help save however equally the use & abuse of multiple millions mismanaged moneys publicly paid SA Museum's Ethnographer Norman B Tindale's so called "['KAURNA]" in SA Parliament House Hansard last week demonstrates it is hard to know the truth from which justice naturally flows ... thus respecting, recognising, resourcing Ramindjeri pre-eminent enduring Sovereignty & genealogies needs to be seriously addressed 1st with your own people? Monday at 1:31am · LikeUnlike.Jason Jon Brodie You still talkn sh.t fowler! Monday at 10:21am · LikeUnlike · 1 personLoading....Matthew Fowler Sadly Jason as you too know only too well, so called "Kaurna" Inc Executives & even ASIC REGistered "Kaurna Cultural Services P/L" Company Directors have been for years now, last week:

since 2007, 2008, 2009 I've thanks to Great Grandmother ...Elders bringing the following to my attention as one of HM's Queen's Scouts, finally been able to help SA Parliament Opposition Liberal Party OCBA Consumer Affairs Shadow Minister Hon Rob Lucas MLC publicly posterity publish in SA Parliament House Hansard http://www.roblucas.com.au/news/default.asp?sectionid=2 thus Question: Kaurna organisation http://www.roblucas.com.au/news/default.asp?action=article&ID=513 Matter of Interest: Kaurna organisation http://www.roblucas.com.au/news/default.asp?action=article&ID=512

Remember Jason when you point your finger of abusive accusation/s there are always 3 pointing back & you yourself was one of the so called "Kaurna" who criticised "Chair" Lynette Crocker & other Executives so until you & others prove your genetic credentials as Ramindjeri have done to me I cannot easily accept your abusive criticism/s.

So called "Kaurna Elder UniSA Adjunct Researcher Yerloburka Uncle" Lewis O'Brien only recently revealed ~3weeks ago that in addition to "Crystal Brook" Kudnarto Mary Ann Adams' son Tim 2nd marriage to Bessie Reeves of Clarendon aka Onkaparinga ... who as we know from now Melbourne Uni Historian 2002 published "Unearthed" "Encounter Bay" Ramindjeri clearly celebrated full moon ceremonies at Onkaparinga where recent MALE skeletal remains have demonstrated that site is not just significant to women.

Hence why is it seriously taken Lewis & all those Bessie Reeves descendants all these years to seriously positively emotionally engage respecting, recognising, resourcing Ramindjeri pre-eminent enduring Sovereignty? The disrespectful ways in which both publically paid professionals Drs UNESCO Award winning AdelaideUni so called "Kaurna" Linquist Rob Amery & www.achm.com.au CEO Consulting Anthropologist Neale Draper both have libelled & defamed Karno Walker & his family. Clearly you too Jason have a long ways to go before you can & will respect others especially when faced with inconvenient truth from which justice naturally flows?

If in any way I have inadvertently erroneously or omitted anything from the truth do then please corret my writing constructively over destructively. Sincerely, MatthewSee More Monday at 12:45pm · LikeUnlike.David Lander Cultures evolve. You omitted the monarch. For what reason/s are you not taking up the original hypocracy with hrh? Surely, you are the only one Matthew. Monday at 1:25pm · LikeUnlike.Matthew Fowler Actually I have been David & am doing so through supporting both New Way Sovereignty Summits & OSTF Original Sovereign Tribal Federation which by the way I think would be excellent if you both made & took your time to attend this year's at Canberra ANU again April22-27. Thus a good place to address the Alum threat by the NSW RTA above? Monday at 1:49pm · LikeUnlike.David Lander So, the new way or the highway? What Her say? Monday at 2:02pm · LikeUnlike.David Lander ‎2000 km, one week away, fuel plus expenses? Hmmm, sounds affordable,, to the middle class. What's with e2r??? Monday at 2:40pm · LikeUnlike · 1 personLoading....Matthew Fowler I think & find your black & white & ethereal or esoteric approach to be unhelpful or I do not yet comprehend it. Essentially it remains clear that while you claim SA Museum's Ethnographer Norman B Tindale's so called "['KAURNA]" there is no... clear evidence that any of your apical ancestors are south of the River Torrens territorial line as clearly defined by the 1837 eye witness account by Boyle Finniss. Thus we need clearer information which again it seems you expect me to find without really seriously helping? I do not yet comprehend why this is so?See More Monday at 2:47pm · LikeUnlike.David Lander because hopelessness was deliberately written into my programming. have invested my last decade in search of the ultimate wisdom. i am a guru, if you like. i wanted to privy with a proven wig. not too cryptic? i needed a dissident rebellious queens' scout. Monday at 3:09pm · LikeUnlike.Matthew Fowler http://wgar.wordpress.com/2011/02/20/new-way-sovereignty-summit-canberra/ essentially gives the basic information & hopefully you & yours will make & take your time to go & be there ... I do not necessarily see myself as rebellious, just confused by the ethical dilemma I faced with given my mother's maternal Anglo-Saxon apical ancestor King Harold II Godwinson was the last legitimate leading elected effective English King who was killed, (regicided?) in 1066 by the then illegitimate Duke of Normandy which makes me wonder especially as HM claims both that Title, Throne & Crown, what makes an illegitimate Duke of Normandy legitimate?See More Monday at 3:20pm · LikeUnlike.Matthew Fowler I also feel upset by apparently being led up a garden path with so called "Kaurna" especially when it seems for example that Lynette Crocker has been a significant part of that & others who I guess it is inappropriate to name online here now ... Monday at 3:21pm · LikeUnlike.David Lander we are all victims. first we take australia, then we kill the king (satire). are you barred from bucky & windsor? it's not for tribal purposes that i have problems with some, rather reasons that cannot be legally advanced at this time. my approach has many hats (even though i continue to skip that chapter), ironic that i must encounter the author explaining the method on ten's the circle decades later. Monday at 4:04pm · LikeUnlike.Matthew Fowler mmm unfortunately I do not comprehend your meaning? Essentially my question is have you yet made contact with either Michael Anderson, Karno Walker or Mark McMurtrie? Also when will you too clarify your ambiguous claim to be SA Museum's Tindale's so called "['KAURNA]"?See More Monday at 4:08pm · LikeUnlike.David Lander garden paths, your existentially true claim to royalty (that i will recognise), governments and de bono. Monday at 4:21pm · LikeUnlike.Matthew Fowler I take it then that is another esoteric way of saying "no"? If not why not contact Karno Walker to begin respecting, recognising, resourcing Ramindjeri pre-eminent enduring Sovereignty? Monday at 4:25pm · LikeUnlike.David Lander no, it was the answer to your "mmm unfortunately I ...?" preamble type question. if not to be regarded rhetorical, it needed an answer. Monday at 4:35pm · LikeUnlike.Matthew Fowler OK, fairnuf & I thank you for that even if I still sadly do not comprehend precisely what you mean? Monday at 4:38pm · LikeUnlike · 1 personLoading....David Lander ‎*garden paths; our experiences, *existentiality; h2r, *gov'ts; temporary legal proviso, *de bono; the lateral thought practical. trying to show empathy. Monday at 5:02pm · LikeUnlike · 1 personLoading....Matthew Fowler OK, well I guess I want to become a bit more directly constructive with you if that is possible in terms of directly contacting Ramindjeri through Karno Walker then go from there? Monday at 5:07pm · LikeUnlike.David Lander i will lead. but your radar is set. Monday at 5:14pm · LikeUnlike.Matthew Fowler Clearly if as I currently comprehend things from the latest revelation from "Uncle" Lewis O'Brien that his apical ancestor Bessie Reeves was from Clarendon thus Onkaparinga, clearly Bessie's people regularly held full moon ceremonies with "...Encounter Bay" Ramindjeri & even Berndt & Berndt acknowledged that the entire peninsular spoke or could speak Ramindjeri thus there is more than meets the eye we've been fed by publicly paid "compromised Anthropology" so respecting, recognising, resourcing Ramindjeri pre-eminent enduring Sovereignty would a logical 1st step?See More Monday at 5:34pm · LikeUnlike.Chris Small how the hell did mfowler connect this article with a disparaging commentary on kaurna peoples? oh it was an attack on jason and david. matthew you shouldn't name drop so publically on face book for all to see- its unprofessional. not a good look to those of us who don't know you mate Tuesday at 6:41am · LikeUnlike · 1 personLoading....Matthew Fowler It is not intended to be disparaging Chris, rather for years now since standing for democracy in our 2007 Australian Parliament Kingston Candidate Campaign I sought to show respect to the pre-eminent enduring Sovereign people which I was led to believe to be "Kaurna" which both Jason & David identified essentially due to SA Museum's Ethnographer Norman B Tindale's 1920s-1974 posterity publishing, popularising "['KAURNA]" only over time to have a [Nov 2009] whiplashing paradigm-shift to respecting, recognising, resourcing Ramindjeri. Ramindjeri as you too Chris may not yet know have for over 25-30 years sought in vain to speak their truth only to be denied or as you've published Chris "denigrated" by so called "Kaurna" who have not yet proven their blood let alone cultural links to country. Only recently for example after years of talking & publishing about his Kudnarto Clan apical ancestry "Kaurna Elder Yerlobuka Uncle & UniSA Adjunct Researcher" Lewis O'Brien has suddenly come out 3weeks ago about Kudnarto's daughter-in-law & 2nd wife of 2nd son Tim Adams, Bessie Reeves being from Clarendon aka Onkaparinga.

This then means as Melbourne Uni Historian Dr Rebe Taylor published in 2002 "Unearthed" Onkaparinga held [full] moon ceremonies with "Encounter Bay" Ramindjeri thus there clearly is an obligation by Bessie Reeves descendeants to resolve & reconcile their differences before subjecting people like myself who in good faith sought to show respect only to be subjected to redicule and a whole range of other insults over years now. Jason sadly has become a significant abuser online so I'm seeking truth from which justice naturally flows. Sadly though there are Great Grandmother Elders who brought their concerns regarding multiple million$ mismanaged moneys publicly paid to my attention & we've been everywhere possible from OCBA, ORIC, ASIC, Centrelink, SAPOL etc only to be fobbed off or ignored. Only now thanks to Opposition LiberalSA OCBA Consumer Affairs Minister Hon Rob Lucas MLC posterity publishing in SA Parliament House Hansard has these sorry states of nepotism & cronyism come to the fore which is timely in regard to the Ramindjeri Callover SA Museum's compromised Anthropology Dept's Rev "Taplin touched" so called "Ngarrindjeri"-"Kaurna". Obviously this is a major paradigm-shift & serious charges requiring serious considerations, independent investigative inquiries & due processes after all these years since 1999. An inconvenient truth for many.See More Tuesday at 10:12am · LikeUnlike.David Lander ‎@ matthew; rrpes is only an one way street. you believe that rrpes is the only way to move australia forward. but this approach doesn't sit well with me. i know that in terms of straight line logistics, it make some sense, but it doesn't ...allow for all those whom have, and will be shunned by others in the name of reclaiming land. it's like looking through a glass opaquely. without recognising that hundreds of thousands of aboriginal australians living without knowledge of their true heritage, and all that entails, only partial justice can be achieved. who will represent me as a dreamer of an even more altruistic outcome? nepotism is not acceptable, but succession and inheritace are. money is money, to some it matters not from where it comes. sounds simple, but so does rrpes. please understand that the vast majority of dispossessed people identifying as aboriginal australians believe wholeheartedly that the outlook for land gain is less than bleak, and even their closest relatives stress out having to listen to any stories of hope in this regard. and what if they believe in heaven? holy shit batman, total grief or what.See More Tuesday at 11:11am · LikeUnlike · 1 personLoading....Chris Small not proved their blood links let alone cultural links to country. interesting statment Tuesday at 11:42am · LikeUnlike.David Lander glad you like it chris, i think. Tuesday at 11:46am · LikeUnlike.Matthew Fowler Chris, David knows that I've gone out of my way to actively help him & his people prove his apical ancestry. From what I-we've seen so far that seems clearly to be north of the SA Gov Gazetted River Torrens territorial boundary as clearly w...itnessed by first former SA Premier & even one time Vice Regal Representative Commander in chief Boyle Finniss http://en.Wik.ipedia.Pro.org/wiki/Talk:Boyle_Finniss

My real concerns stem from people like "Kaurna Elder Yerloburka Uncle" Lewis O'Brien & others such as so called professionals publicly paid like UNESCO Award winning Adelaide Uni "Kaurna" Linguist Dr Rob Amery & SA Gov Consulting Anthropologist Dr Neale Draper actively using & abusing their respective public positions of power & influence to denigrate, libel, defame Ramindjeri when there clearly is an active bottomline responsibility especially by we whitefellas or Caucasian cousins to help acknowledge, accept, absorb, address the past especially as HistorySA celebrates 175 years since Feb19-Dec28 1836.

I therefore have to ask you Chris as I did Dave to simply pick up your telephone & ring or write, respecting, recognising, resourcing Ramindjeri Pre-eminent enduring Sovereignty because I have & I have even gone to stay, sat, eaten, held ceremony together. I cannot, especially as one of HM's Queen's Scouts walk away from what clearly has been demonstrated to me to be a great injustice hence unless either of you can & will actively address & redress Ramindjeri recognition concerns, what am I to do? Sincerely & humbly I ask you both, I need your help, MatthewSee More Yesterday at 1:10am · LikeUnlike.Chris Small get over yourself matthew- you're just not that important. and excuse me- one of HM Queen's Scouts??? If Karno wants my help HE can ask me. i don't get involved in community business, and nor should you. Yesterday at 6:07am · LikeUnlike.Matthew Fowler That sadly seems somewhat simplistic, even a cop-out Chris. 19 hours ago · LikeUnlike.Matthew Fowler Obviously, I too do not yet know you nor your background etc. You can see when I do not know any different, I actively worked with Great Grandmothers then identifying as SA Museum's Ethnographer Norman B Tindale's 1920s-1974 manufactured, m...istranslated so called "['KAURNA]". http://www.google.co.id/search?q=kaurna+encompass+technology&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&client=firefox-a I as one of HM's Queen's Scouts simply truth from which justice naturally flows. I respect that may mean nothing to you?See More 19 hours ago · LikeUnlike.Matthew Fowler ‎@Chris Have you read http://wgar.wordpress.com/2011/02/20/new-way-sovereignty-summit-canberra/ yet? I was there last year at the 1st Jan30-Feb1. Sincerely, Matthew 19 hours ago · LikeUnlike.Chris Small i asked you matthew do you identify as an aboriginal person and what is a queens scout. you're talking nonsense. i have talked at length to karno and he shows more respect. the conversation is not about me - its about you white arrogance that you think you have a 'special' role in all of this. know when to keep out. 17 hours ago · LikeUnlike.David Lander ‎@Matthew, please try to get this ethical dilemma. We met online just over 12 months ago, since then we've lived a lifetime. I've evolved, as have my opinions. To have you remind me, at the start before my peers, that I should get in touch... with my true heritage was insulting, humiliating and inferrably condescending. I did not let it slide then, and now refer you to back to it (the comment made in the lead up to the last state election, the one you demanded be removed under threat of legal action). Do you recall that I did not flinch. I'd also like to draw your attention to my comment on this post yesterday at 1:41pm. Such is our dilemma. Again, I understand dueling dead anthropologists, and lots more besides. I've known where I fit the whole time, and have told you where to reference my family tree since the get go. Sure, I have the gmail address that upsets, but none other than you has challenged me. So, am I talking shit? You appear to think so. I might support an high level inquiry into the mismanagement of funds, but will not interfere in any tribal disagreement over naming rights. Cultures evolve. Attempt to see that there is a method to my madness.See More 14 hours ago · LikeUnlike · 1 personLoading....Matthew Fowler Yes cultures evolve 53 minutes ago · LikeUnlike.Matthew Fowler Oops so does fb in that I cannot easily respond anymore with Carriage Returns as they become a Comment in themselves ... I guess we all have to adapt. The bottomline is clearly neither of us yet fully comprehend exactly what the other is sa...ying or where they are coming from and so there clearly a cross-cultural communication challenge. As I've PMed Chris, I'll copy & paste the essentials here in my next post that hopefully that makes things clearly for all concerned. Essentially I do my best with what I have as I have it which isn't much. I do appreciate being told in a democratic society of which you both benefit to stay out of things when clearly I've been made responsible for a range of things since standing in good faith for democracy 2007 for the Kingston Candidate Campaign Dave chooses to live in. Equally I've sought to help rather than hinder Dave's interest in democracy & representation because clearly the LibLab major policised Parties (& others) have yet to clearly demonstrate a real commitment to resolving issues clearly, openly, honestly, collaboratively, consultatively, transparently & accountably. Obviously as the then Australian Democrats Party (SA Division) Inc 2007 Kingston Campaign Candidate I did not know nor was I respectfully informed or advised in a timely sense by the then (SA Div) Inc Parliamentarians SA Senator Natasha Stott Despoja who invited me over years in fact over a decade to join & SA Parliamentarian Hon Sandra Kanck MLC who 2006 knew about Ramindjeri callover SA Museum's compromised Anthropology Dept's so called "Ngarrindjeri"-"['KAURNA]" but said & publicly NOTHING! Despite having the resources of the entire SA Parliament at Hon Sandra Kanck's disposal, a comment too Ramindjeri Karno Walker independently made 2010 pers comm, I remain as one of HM's 1983 Queen's Scouts & 1988 BSc Bachelor of Science Graduates determined to continue independent investigative inquiries for truth from which justice naturally flows ...See More 40 minutes ago · LikeUnlike.Matthew Fowler The fact that Dave's bro Jason chose to totally disrespectfully publicly abuse me I naturally reacted to & therefore I respect Chris you too may well choose to think & judge that what I've written is "nonsense" to you however until I know w...hat I know I don't know I don't know, I will at least with what I now know continue to stand with respecting, recognising, resourcing Ramindjeri pre-eminent enduring Sovereignty & look forward to learning about the next Adelaide Federal Court House Hearing results especially as so called "Kaurna Native Title Lawyer" Tim Campbell must have been instructed by the current legal fiction even fraudulent so called "Kaurna Native Title Management Committee" to have Ramindjeri "struck off" in of all things, a Mediation Meeting recently - absolutely appalling & galling behaviours especially Chris when you have the audacity to chide me about being so called "professional"! Unlike "Kaurna Native Title Lawyer" Tim Campbell who is publicly paid by we whitefellas' or Caucasian cousins' Governments, I'm not paid at all & have privately funded $1000s into the researches I've made in good faith seeking truth since 2007.See More 34 minutes ago · LikeUnlike.Matthew Fowler From a PM, "On reflection & specifically Chris, I'm wondering how familiar you may be with, Given Berndt & Berndt's 1993 published, "The appropriate traditional categorization of the whole group was Kukabrak: this term, as we mention again ...below, was used by these people to differentiate themselves from neighbours whom they regarded as being socio-culturally and linguistically dissimilar. However, the term Narrinyeri has been used consistently in the literature and by Aborigines today who recognize a common descent from original inhibitants of this region-- even though their traditional identifying labels have been lost."

I have only realitively recently been exposed to "South Australia" when I was 2004 invited back to "Kangaroo Island". As a result I've only recently since standing for democracy 2007 & Australia Parliament thus renounced my lifelong Scouting commitment to be above politics & accepted a decade old invitation from then SA Senator Natasha Stott Despoya to join which I only did so on the basis that the Dems worked with the Government of the day. Not knowing of course that Natasha had no intention of continuing & is as egocentric as every other Parliamentarian or dare I write, "politician". The result of course is history, discovering the parlace state of the Dems as a Party & the internal politics just like every other politicised Party. I did what I could to review, revise SA Divisional Job Descriptions to SA Div Council ratification but failed on the 1993 OCBA REGistered Australian Democrats Party (SA Division) Incorporation into we whitefellas' or Caucasian cousins' conquested, conquesting Crown we've essentially live lies about "settlement" ...

Despite not knowing you Chris, I'm sharing more of what I've learned myself & FitzGerald-Bourne-Holt-Fowler family history http://en.Wik.ipedia.Pro.org/wiki/User:Mifren which may or may not be of potential interest? Sincerely, Matthew"See More 32 minutes ago · LikeUnlike.Matthew Fowler I subsequently wonder Chris & Dave (& Jason) as I Commented on another thread if the following may actually help better contextualise where I am in actual fact struggling with ethical dilemma & confusion, "Given I learned that my mother's maternal Anglo-Saxon apical ancestor was the pre-eminent Sovereign last leading legitimate elected effective English King Harold II Godwinson & my mother's paternal pre-eminent Sovereign South Welsh apical ancestor was Prince Rhys Ap Tewdwr hence paternally descended Anglicised Tudor Kings cousins Henry VII & Henry VIII thus Edward VII, "Bloody" Mary & "Good Queen Bess" who totally destroyed her FitzGerald Family cousins in the Geraldine Desmond Rebellions http://en.Wik.ipedia.Pro.org/wiki/Desmond_Rebellions with HM's (illegitimate?, heretical?) Munster Plantations remains a confusion & was only partial resolved after 1798 United Irish Rebellion with my father's paternal apical ancestor General Joseph Holt www.joseph-holt.org being sent to Sydney & subsequently the Republic of Ireland evolved ..."Mifren (talk) 05:31, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Mifren. Please see the discussion I initiated at File talk:Barton Family with Sir Robert Uniacke-Penrose-FitzGerald MP Cambridge 1st Bt of Corkbeg and Lisquinlan.jpeg. This is an image you uploaded. Maybe you have some more information? Thanks. – Wdchk (talk) 01:49, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mifren, when I first came across you, you were a Kaurna advocate - you argued many times on their behalf in the wiki talk pages, you were even a political activist for the Kaurna. What has happened? Why this sudden acrimony towards them - what did they do to you? You say you discovered that the "Kaurna" were a sham - but to be honest it sounds a bit more personal than that.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 09:50, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

1stly Yeti Hunter it could not sound like anything because we've never met, let alone used audio telecommunications!

2ndly I was never a "Kaurna" Advocate per se other than to in good faith, sought (especially as one of HM's Queen's Scouts) to show some respect, having stood for democracy 2007 legal fiction, so called "Australian Parliament" with the Australian Democrats Party (SA Division) Inc CAC Candidate Assessment Committee asking me to Candidate Campaign Kingston, southern "Adelaide" metropolitan area. Dropping off my Campaign Manager Sam Rossi at Westpac Sturt Road, Bedford Park, Marion (who'd helped Steve Bracks' Premier of Victoria, Bill Clinton's and Ronald Reagan's United States Presidential Campaigns), I saw that Warriparinga, ("Living Kaurna Culture Centre") turnoff sign and naturally drove in. There I saw Kaurna Kudnarto Mary Ann m Tom Adams Snr descendant Paul Dixon and Steve Goldsmith who there and then indicated that Steve's Goldsmith family, Tindale's "Kaurna" apical ancestry was from the north and there was some tensions. Little did I know, in any way/s fully comprehend what Feminist Anthropologist Emeritus Prof Diane Bell subsequently termed, "black politics"!

It was not until 2009 I met, argued with Karno Walker that I had my respecting, recognising, resourcing Ramindjeri pre-eminent enduring Original Sovereign epiphany, Pauline experience. The result being that my paradigm shifted! My paradigm was already shifting because of the corrupted people, personalities, eg Kaurna Heritage Board Inc KHB Chair Lynette Crocker (nee Smith, paternally of Cornish, English descent) Port Adelaide "Nunga Court" Records I'd been made increasingly aware lots had been going on that needed absorbing, accepting, acknowledging, addressing, redressing we whitefellas' on-going impacts since 28 Dec 1836 ... 175years since "Proclamation Day"!

There's more but clearly I need, want to get this saved so that you too can start to wake up to yourself & others' who've clearly had you hoodwinked for decades if not your entire lifetime! Cheers, Matthew aka mifren! :)Mifren (talk) 10:53, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi -- I have removed your post from the Humanities desk, as that is entirely the wrong place for such a matter. I could point you to a better place, but I don't think it would be useful: a glance at your recent contribs shows that you're going down the wrong path, and the only way for you to get on track is to stop fighting with other editors and start paying attention to the feedback you are getting. Looie496 (talk) 16:36, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mifren, I have removed your recent addition to Cooneyites even though I completely understand why you added it. Please see Talk:Cooneyites#Kangaroo Island for a more detailed explanation. Cheers, Donama (talk) 01:55, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The Croften Croker edited 'memoir' (1838) of Holt is available free to read, download and search at the Internet Archive. Volume 1 here, and volume 2 here. Happy hunting. RashersTierney (talk) 12:12, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I reverted your change to Minster, Swale regarding "Alnod Cilt (aka Jordanus de Scapeia or Sheppey)" - as there is no evidence that Jordanus de Scapeia was Harold's son and in fact, there is reason to believe that he was not. Entries must be verifiable (include references). (talk)

Hi Matthew. In response to your question, there didn't seem to be a reason to discuss. The modification you made with this new information was not accompanied by any references. As for discussion, the existence of Jordanus de Scapeia can be easily proven - however, outside of there being no evidence that he was Harold's son (as far as I can tell, this assertion originated in a comprehensive but poorly sourced Northwood genealogy book, but I could be wrong), it can also be reasonably proven that he was not Harold's son. However, if you have references that prove the information you posted, please do undo my change and also post the reference... I, as well as many others, would be thrilled to see proof to that effect. (talk)

Certainly seems to be an interesting story, Legend? My mother's mother was Esme Norwood Brown so I've stumbled across that information here online & too would love to learn more. Certainly intriguing. I think that the Norwood DNA Project should come up with some interesting results as a result. Cheers, Matthew (talk) 21:43, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Mifren. What does "callover" mean? I've seen you use it many times (eg "Ramindjeri callover Kaurna") but I must admit I'm confused as to its meaning.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 15:40, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=callover&aq=f&sugexp=chrome,mod=1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 has a few references.

As we too can see from, City of West Torrens COUNCIL MEETING 2 November 2010 17. REPORTS OF THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER 17.4 Kaurna Native Title Claim Update & Attachments 1-3, Pages 8-20

"Native Title Claim Council has received an update from Norman Waterhouse Lawyers in relation to the recent callover held on 8 October 2010 (Attachment 1). The recent callover determined that, although the boundaries have yet to be determined, the Ramindjeri People’s claim overlapped the Kaurna People’s claim. The boundaries of the Ramindjeri claim have yet to be determined but if they do include the City of West Torrens then Council will be invited to become a party to that claim too and may have an impact on the finalisation of the Kaurna Claim." Matthew (talk) 16:55, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Aha, a legal term! No wonder it baffled me :) Thanks for the pointer. --Yeti Hunter (talk) 22:36, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for your edit to Diuris. (Nice to know somebody's interested in them apart from yours truly!) Sorry to have had to revert it. It's true - Diuris and many other orchids are ground orchids or terrestrial orchids (including about 1,000 of the other orchids I've written about) but these are not common names. "Ground" and "terrestrial" distingush them from them from "epiphytic" and "liphophytic" (and maybe other) types. All the best to you. Gderrin (talk) 22:52, 9 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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